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Two worthwhile reads this morning from Edward Keenan and Navneet Alang.
Nav first: Over on Hazlitt, he discusses the virtual impossibility of faking what’s in the putative Rob Ford crack video. The technology simply doesn’t exist. Nav goes through that and, in the first three or four paragraphs, disposes of it neatly and persuasively. (Disclosure: I’ve met Nav at an @EthnicAisle event.)
More troubling, though, are the issues he raises about the mutability of fact, and thereby the basis of evidence upon which we all rely in forming our own opinions and making our own interpretations. As he puts it:
Whether or not this means the allegations are true, however, isn’t my concern here. Rather, interesting to me are the implications of the seemingly widespread belief that creating such believable alternate realities using technology is not only possible, but easy.
Nav’s essay speaks for itself. I can’t really do it justice by trying to summarize it here, so please — go read it. There are a lot of valuable takeaways from it, but for me the most troubling runs tangent to the truism about being entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts. That has clear and uncomfortable implications for the argument about picking and choosing which facts you want to believe, based on your ideological predispositions. Those of us who like to criticize Ford Nation for ignoring the facts, rationalizing away the evidence, and dismissing everything as a condescending-downtown-elite-gravy-train conspiracy have just felt the ground shift under our feet.
Ed’s argument is a little more concrete, but no less troubling. (Disclosure: I’ve met Ed, had a few beers with him, and taken a course with him. I think of him as a friend and as a teacher. For as long as I can remember, I’ve admired his writing, not just for its clarity and cogency, but for its generosity. If you’re looking to filter out the important stuff from the bullshit, make sure you’ve got Ed on your daily reading list.) Earlier this week, he argued that collectively, we are hurt by the Ford Follies’ all-consuming occupation of energy, attention, and oxygen; it’s not a new argument, but I haven’t seen it made more convincingly and compassionately than this in a long time.
Today, however, I have to disagree with him, albeit on technical grounds. It’s about hearsay: in today’s essay, he suggests that the accounts we’ve read in Gawker and the Star aren’t hearsay, but
eyewitness testimony from people who have seen the video.
With respect, I think he’s wrong. Right in his intent, but wrong in his argument.
Let’s put this in context: if I read him correctly, he’s distinguishing between the evidence we use to form opinions and the evidence upon which courts make legal determinations. And in that regard, he’s absolutely right; we don’t need to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt of what we believe in order to have a defensible basis for believing it. That’s part of the distinction between what’s admissible in courts of law and what’s admissible in the court of public opinion. It’s also part of what makes dealing with the members of “Ford Nation” so challenging. We don’t have to like it, but they’re entitled to believe what they like, regardless of how questionable or irrational it may seem.
But when it comes to hearsay, there’s a very specific and technical definition that comes into play. There’s a reasonable summary of it on Wikipedia, but in the present circumstances, it boils down to this: We don’t know what’s in the video. We can’t know because we haven’t seen it. We’re relying on the accounts of John Cook, Kevin Donovan, and Robyn Doolittle.
Now, I don’t have any reason to think John, Kevin, and/or Robyn are lying. (Disclosure: I’ve met Robyn at one of the inaugural #WiTOPoli events.) This goes back to the question of ideological predisposition I touched on earlier; while I don’t think they’re lying, there are a lot of people who, for whatever reason, do want to think that. But that’s not the question here; the problem is that in the absence of the video itself, we have no way of knowing. We can evaluate the truthiness of what they’re saying in light of past evidence of Rob Ford’s behaviour and in light of our own political views, but we can’t make definitive factual evaluations of what’s in the video. We simply can’t. We haven’t seen it. If we believe that the mayor’s been doing crack because John Cook, Kevin Donovan, and Robyn Doolittle say they saw him doing it in a video, we are basing our beliefs on hearsay.
In fairness to Ed, it’s a fact of life that judgments in the court of public opinion are frequently based on hearsay. We’re entitled to make up our minds on the basis of whatever we like. My reasons for believing what I believe may not be the same as your reasons for believing what you believe. In a perfect world, I’d be able to convince you of the rightness of my position through civil discourse — rational argument, factual evidence, appreciation for nuance, plausible interpretation, and maybe even a soupcon of generosity of spirit. Or vice versa.
But that’s a very different thing from a judgment in a court of law, and it’s why the evidentiary standard is so much more demanding. If we’re going to work our way through this properly, then it’s important to be clear.
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Hey, thanks for the response–and the post responding to it–but with due respect, I think you are wrong on technical grounds, perhaps because I have not made clear the argument I’m addressing. In the audio clip I linked to, the host tells John Cook and Kevin Donovan directly that they are relying on hearsay evidence. They are not. They are eyewitnesses to the contents of the video. If they were in court testifying to what they saw, their evidence about what they saw would not be hearsay.
Now, to the reading public and the jury, when we repeat it without direct knowledge, it is hearsay, because we have heard it rather than seeing it. But I’m talking about the primary source reporting itself—it is not hearsay, it is direct testimony. When I tell you about what I read, it is hearsay (though, as I say, there are no rules against hearsay in journalism anyway).
I think I see where we disagree.
Whether or not you can categorize evidence as hearsay depends not only on how it’s introduced and where it’s obtained, but also on the question it’s intended to address and what you’re trying to prove with it.
The fundamental question in that regard is whether the evidence, in the context of what it’s intended to substantiate, can be independently verified. If so, then it’s probative; if not — if it depends for verification on something that’s not there and can’t be tested — then it’s problematic and probably hearsay. Whether it’s admissible in a court of law is, of course, a legal question.
For example, if you’re saying you saw something, I can test your eyesight and confirm that yes, you did see something. But that doesn’t necessarily prove that what you think you saw actually happened. In this case, we can test John Cook, Kevin Donovan and Robyn Doolittle’s eyesight, and on that basis, decide that yes, they did indeed watch a video, and that they saw things happen in that video. But it doesn’t necessarily demonstrate the veracity of what they say happened in that video. It doesn’t mean they’re lying; it just means that what they say happened in the video can’t be verified independently. We’d need to see the video ourselves for that.
We all know that people are going to draw inferences from what the three journalists say they saw in the video. Jon Stewart’s already had some fun with that, and as we’ve agreed, the court of public opinion has far looser evidentiary standards than courts of law. For the reasons I set out above, however, I’m not convinced that the accounts of John, Kevin and Robyn would pass the hearsay test in a court of law. It would depend on what you’re trying to demonstrate with their testimony.
Admittedly, I’m splitting hairs, and I’m not a lawyer, so I could very well be wrong on this. But it’s on such hair-splitting that due process depends.
Sol, I think you’re confusing the abstraction of reporting on something you saw in a video with the abstraction of stating as fact something that you yourself didn’t witness.
I don’t think the Star reporters have stated as fact that Rob Ford smoked crack (Gawker is clearly operating in a different legal environment!). They’ve only reported what they saw in the video and what the other people claimed to them were the circumstances of the video. Could they be misinterpreting what they saw in the video? Sure. But that’s not the definition of heresay. The whole “independent verification” thing is a red herring. Even eye witnesses with direct observation of something can be wrong – wrong about identities, wrong about times and places, wrong about all kinds of things that can’t be independently verified – so long as they stick to what they themselves saw, it’s not heresay.
Of course, the real question is whether Rob Ford actually smoked crack. And I’ll agree that the reporters’ accounts do not constitute direct proof that he did. But it’s not heresay to report what they themselves saw.
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